the polls have really tighten add lot. the last debate, the first debate with romney and obama really upended the opportunities for us in ohio. so you're seeing that. they're on the offense and it's interesti interesting. you u saw the obama campaign announce that clinton and springsteen are going to be campaigning for them in ohio. to me that seems they have to pull out the big guns now to not seat any ground. >> i mean governor romney, this is his fourth day in a row in ohio. i think both campaigns have been pretty clear how important the buckeye state is. i'll ask is there a path to 270 for you guys without ohio? >> look. i don't think they've written ohio out or excuse me off. it's still their path to 270. that's why they're there. because there's excitement on the ground there. you're seeing vol -- >> can you win the presidency without ohio? >> yes. i believe so. i've not done the private polling. look what they're doing. they wouldn't be there if this wasn't a winnable state for them. one of the things you should loo